ESSENCE’s June cover stars Tyler Perry and Oprah Winfrey sit down for an intimate interview this Sunday on a new episode of Oprah’s Next Chapter.

Set in the director’s Los Angeles home, the close friends talk all things Perry. They chat about his overall career and what it was like producing his two forthcoming OWN scripted shows, The Haves and the Have Nots and Love Thy Neighbor. Perry also addresses his critics and shares his story of overcoming a rough upbringing.

“Growing up I thought I’d never live to see 30, so if I would have believed all of that then I wouldn’t be here,” say’s Perry referring to the statistics. “Everything around me said that was supposed to happen, but God.”

Check out a sneak peek above and be sure to catch it this Sunday, May 26 at 9 p.m. on OWN.

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