No, Whoopi Goldberg: Black Women Are Not Cultural Appropriators For Wearing Weave

The comedian made the statement about Black women wearing "white lady hair" during a discussion about Kendall Jenner's Pepsi commercial.

Pepsi’s controversial commercial with Kendall Jenner still has people talking and it made its round on Thursday’s The View episode. Speaking on the topic, the ladies agreed that the ad missed the mark.

“One of the biggest things that’s uniting the country right now, is that everyone and their momma hated that Pepsi ad,” Whoopi Goldberg started off the segment. But it was her follow-up comment about Black women somehow appropriating culture by wearing weave that set off a Twitter firestorm.

“I think they [Pepsi] thought they were deeper than they were with the messaging,” Whoopi said. “I think they thought that this would be enough. And if you’re 19 or 21 you think it’s a great, cause you think it’s doing something… I know lots of 21-year-olds… and if it’s not here [mimicking a cell phone], they don’t know history.”

Sunny Hostin then noted that Kendall — a member of a family often accused of cultural appropriation  — should have known better. 

“This is a family that has made millions of dollars based on being just famous,” she begins. “And so when you have been in this business for ten years…and in 2015 she already got called out, short of reprimanded for, cultural appropriation because she wore cornrows…She already had a taste of controversy. She already had a taste of what people think when you appropriate these movements. I think she should have known better.”

But Whoopi clearly disagrees with the ‘cultural appropriation,’ saying the term makes her “crazy.”

“If we’re going to go with cultural appropriation, wear natural hair. Cause if we’re wearing white lady hair, then isn’t that appropriation? Listen, there are times where you can say, ‘You need to be more sensitive.’ But this aint one of them! This is [just] a bad commercial that didn’t work.” 

Having been in the business for decades, it’s surprising that Whoopi — a Black woman— would be frustrated by a term that so accurately explains what happened in this Pepsi ad. By definition “appropriation” means to take something for one’s own use, typically without the owner’s permission, for financial gain. 

If we break this down, Pepsi used the concept of civil protest without consent from actual activists or protestors, to sell beverages. 

Appropriation is actually the perfect word for what happened. 

Where appropriation cannot be used is to explain Black women — who have historically been disenfranchised— wearing their hair straight, with sewn-ins or wigs. Put aside our diversity of hair textures, Black women would have had to be the oppressor in the equation to actually appropriate white women. You know, like a Kardashian wearing cornrows on an Instagram account they make money from. 

If Whoopi should be going “crazy” over anything, it should be having to constantly explain our agency as Black women in a world that willfully steals from us time and time again. 

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Today on Essence Live, we chat everything health and wellness. The two people who are the reason I'm running the New York City Marathon, Amber [UNKNOWN] and Ursula Stevens join me right here in studio. Plus, the brilliant and talented Whoopi Goldberg chats with our editor in chief. Vanessa de Luca about her new book. And have you had a chance to see our November issue? Taraji P. Henson is on the cover slaying it, and of course we're gonna take you behind the scenes. And my favorite part of each and every episode slayed or shade, we chat Beyonce boot camp. Don't go anywhere because Essence Live starts now. [MUSIC] Welcome, welcome, welcome to another fabulous episode of Essence Live. As I mentioned today we're talking everything health and wellness and of course awareness, so before we hop into todays show I want to remind each and every one of you, please use #essencelive. Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, the whole shebang. Let us know what you're talking about and let us know your thoughts. You never know. you might see your comments right here on the show. All right. So, first, I have no stranger to Essence Live, our Essence Entertainment Director Cori Murray. How are you? Very well, thank you. Thank you for joining us. And a very, very special Essence family member. She's new to Essence Live, but not new to our family President and founder of African Health Now, Nana Eyeson-Akiwowo. Oh, you did good. I did good? You did good with that one. And how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm great. Thank you so much for coming because we have lots and lots to cover. So as I mentioned, Nana, you are not new to the Essence family, if you will. No. You were our bookings editor which when I first met you, you ran in the halls. I was on the marketing team, you were making sure that everything was running on [UNKNOWN] if you will. Oh my goodness, those are good times. If you can share with our Essence audience, what exactly is a bookings editor and then transition us into your and how you got started in Africa Health now. So a bookings editor for magazine. Is someone who books all of your hair, makeup, models. And essentially is like your, not a photo editor, but sets up the logistics of your shoot. Your location, all of those entities. And so, at Essence, for those amazing years, that That was my job. And so you had models stalking you, you had [CROSSTALK] I knew every makeup artist, every hair stylist, every stylist, every model. Food caterer. Every food caterer. [LAUGH] Cory's like, I knew that part. Yes, because that was an important part of Every photo shoot. People would come to me like, what food are we having? Who's on food? So that was a. [INAUDIBLE] [CROSSTALK] Craft services is very important. It keeps it going. That's what keeps the energy It keeps everything going. And it's a very fierce role, it's a very fast paced, fast moving. Yeah. Fashion and beauty. And now you're involved in the non-profit world. Yes. Can you tell us a little bit about what happened in your life to inspire you to launch African health now. Yeah. So in 2006 I was at work putting together a photo shoot, and I got a call that my father had heart attack in Ghana. Huh. And at that very moment it was like what? What did you say? And Right. And kept listening and I was like well who's the doctor, where is he, what hospital and no one had any answers, and I was like oh wait he's not here in America he is, okay let's regroup and think it through and so as I started to regroup and try to figure out who the doctor was, and I was getting no answers. A friend of mine just happened to IM me and was like hey I'm in nacraud and I was like my father just had a heart attack Go find him, and he found him in the hallway. Hadn't seen a doctor yet. And he sorted him out. He got him in a hospital room. Wow. He talked to the doctor, he talked to the nurse. He made sure that he had care. And at that very moment is when I realized I was lucky. I had been given a gift. And if I didn't have that friend I don't know how the story would have ended for me. And so afterward I just started thinking about it and was like, what happened to those people? And the people in our community where my dad lived were really instrumental in his recovery. And so the first health fair was literally just that, a gift. Thank you for helping me get my dad back together. So I just went into the hallways at Essence, I remember just being like, "Hey! I'm doing a health fair!" And they were like, "Well, what do you need?" And I remember sending out an email and people would walk over to my desk, "Oh, I'm going to the dollar store this weekend!" Tooth brushes, tooth paste. So the health fair was you reaching out to friends in your network. In my network. Just getting materials. And then I reached out to friends who were going to [UNKNOWN] who were doctors, lawyers, the whole gammet was like if you're gonna be there, give me one day. And let's see what we can do. How we can affect change. And first day, 25 volunteers. Wow. 350 participants showed up. no advertising- In Ghana. In Ghana. No advertising, was in [UNKNOWN], the town where my dad lives. There was like no flier, no radio, no advertising. Literally told one person. Mm-hm. And I was like oh, she'll tell somebody. Right. Somebody will show up. They'll know. They'll be there. And when we got there, 350, they were just already waiting. Eight o'clock in the morning- Ready to move, ready to take action. They were just let's go and when we realized, that's when I realized specifically, how important a A day with a doctor. An opportunity to see a doctor, get my teeth checked for the first time was so important. It was something I had taken for granted my whole life. Because I lived here, and it's accessible. And knowing how to give a self breast examination Talking to women who had no idea what I was talking about. That they themselves could check their own breasts. They were like, why would I do it? So when did you say, okay, I'm going to leave my world of fashion and beauty. I'm leaving this life. It's, I don't want to say comfortable, but it's one that you're familiar with. What I was familiar with. And then we have a support system around you. Right. Right, right, right. And to say okay, I'm jumping into the world of nonprofit. That took awhile. That didn't, I continued to do African Health Now, all the while working at Essence, every year Year. They knew when Nana was going to dine out for Christmas. They just knew. Don't book a photoshoot. It's your problem. You can go by yourself. You'll be by yourself. No craft services. No model, no nothing. No food, [UNKNOWN] And so it wasn't until about 2008, 2009 when I started to realize okay, this is really what you wanna do and let's find a way to do it. And so then,. I just made the transition. The opportunity came and I was like, well, this is a great opportunity for me to do something different and I'm gonna just take it. And it was scary and I had no idea how to do it, but you know- Took the leap. I just took the leap and Been figuring it out ever since. I heard that. Now, Corey, how are you involved with African Health now? Cause of Nana. She went to your office and made you do it, literally. [LAUGH] I don't know what I contributed. In December she, of her many trips to Ghana. But quite seriously, my daughter's father's Haitian, so I've been to Haiti and seen the devastation of the earthquake. People live in poverty, I've been to Ghana, that's another story. [LAUGH] I've been to Ghana, Nana, and I saw, and I've been to some very poverty stricken areas. I don't like to use the word "third world," right. I've seen some things as a black American, I realize Just a little contribution can make a big impact. I never forget nana coming back, she basically was giving breast exams just based on her own annual checkup. She was like, well, let me show you. And this woman was like, oh, I didn't even know I could do it on my own. So just that little. Thing. I knew that any little bit can make a difference. I have seen where just a $200 donation can have a big impact. And go a lot farther than you anticipate. Yes. And how does Essence support or work with African health now? We're going to be partnering with Nana on her cocktail benefit. Event that's happening next Tuesday, October 20th. Mm-hm. Yes. Tickets are available at, Www.africanhealthnow.org/events. And I want to point out it's not africahealthnow, it's, Africanhealthnow. For those of you out there who are going to search, and want to get involved. And so we're partnering with the You know helping to supply volunteers. You know, contributing to the gift bag. I am one of the host committee members. [LAUGH] But also you know there is Love for Nana. Of course. You know what I mean? She's In this business you know, it's all about our relationships. And this is a relationship that Nana has nurtured even after not being here. When she comes in the office, we're like where's the baby? I know, whenever I see her I'm like how's baby girl doing? Where is she at? My name is Nana and I I have more than my daughter. Yes. [LAUGH] Hi Nana! So Nana, tell us about the importance of next week's fundraiser. Oh my goodness. So next week's fundraiser is a Gift of Life cocktail benefit. And we are honoring three dynamic individuals, Wangechi Mutu, Kenyan artist and activist, Fly with the humanitarian at war. Both of us Saint John who is the Senior Vice President of Global Marketing for Beats Music and a fellow guy in, In side note, you know that wonderful beach commercial? Oh, right. She does. The rejuvenate shot would take. That was all toast. That was all toast, behind the scenes. Behind the scenes, so and then doctor Samuel [UNKNOWN] is a podiatrist and Ghanaian who does a lot of great work in Ghana. And he's receiving the health advocate award. But outside of honoring those people, the event is based for raising funds for our upcoming programs. So December 22nd And we will be in Ghana in Mamprobi, which is an area that was hit really hard by the recent floods, and we're looking to do a multi-day health fair. So whereas we've always day one-day fairs, we're looking to do it over the course of two to three days to provide the same services and just maximize our impact. As well as raising seat funding for our fist mobile health clinic which we wanna deploy in 2018 which would be like a mobile health van that allows us to go into more rural areas and provide the same services that we do in the city. So that's the bit importance of the event. And the event is shaping up to be really, really, really, really dope. We had D Nice. D Nice is DJing. [SOUND] And I heard you have Kenday Wiley. And we have Kenday Wiley has donated one of his pieces. I will not say which piece, but he has donated a piece to his silent auction. We have a piece from Kajio Benz, we have Delta airlines tickets, we have a weekend at the W South Beach... So there's a lot of reasons to get involved. A lot of reasons to attend. Can you put your bid in? Now, I have a question, do you only work in Ghana or are you opened up to other countries? Are you open up to other partnerships in different areas of Africa? So we're definitely always open to other partnerships but right now we have only been working in Ghana, because it was kind of a new inactive to begin with I felt it was always important for us to figure out and work in a place where A I new the landscape and figure out that model first, but the key thing to African Health Now is we can take this model And replicate it in any other country. For the most part, most African, sub-Saharan African, countries have the same infrastructure, lack the same accessibility. And so that's why we can take any location within 24 hours and turn it into a health clinic. I absolutely love everything you're doing. You're so commendable. Anyone who wants to get involved, whether it's If it's to donate, volunteer their time or get in touch with you, where can they find you? They can find me. Just go to our website, and my email is there. It's nicen@africanhealthnow.org. And just send me an email. We are always looking for volunteers. Especially skilled based. Right. You'd be surprised, your like oh I'm a marketing guru. I need that. Everybody needs to get involved. Everyone can get involved. Everyone has an opportunity. Yes. And there's something that anyone can do to help move the ball forward. Thank you very much, Nana, for joining us. Thank you. Thank you so much, Kori. Kori, you're sticking around for a little slade or shade? Yes, yes. Mm-hm, mm-hm. So don't forget, please check out Africanhealthnow.org. Get involved, find out how you can help make an impact globally. Don't go anywhere. Coming up we have Vanessa DeLuca with her one-on-one Was like my best friend in my head, Whoopi Goldberg. Plus Slayed or Shade. But first, Chrissy and Yashi from Oxygen's new series Pretty Strong stop by to let us know that you can be fierce and fabulous both off and on the field. Check it out. Yes, as a black woman yes. We have to worry about getting our hair wet, we stay away from, black women, we avoid the pool. But You know what? [LAUGH]. When we play football, all that goes out the window. Well, it's also easier because we have a helmet. [LAUGH]. Are we strong? Hell yeah!. [MUSIC]. I'm I'm Yashi And I'm ChrisDell Harris and we're from Oxygen's (together) "Pretty Stong," I play defensive end for the Chicago Bliss. I've been playing since 2010. I'm ChrisDell Harris, know as "The Ferrari," the fastest running back in the LFL. You know women aren't supposed to touch, we're suppose to play, and you know, ballet and run track. You know, Cheerleading, things like that. We're not supposed to be the ones that are actually out there. Being aggressive and being passionate. This is 2015. Women can play football, we are strong, we are pretty, we are beautiful. We can do it all. That's why we gravitate to it so much because we are aggressive. We are The full definition of what it means to be pretty and strong. All those barriers, all those, you know, the assumptions of we can't get our hair wet. We can't, you know, we can't, you know, be cute on the football. We don't care about those things. We just play and let everybody else do the talking for us. [MUSIC] Welcome back to Essence Live. Our editor and chief, Vanessa da Luca, sat down with the always outspoken, my girl, Whoopi Goldberg. She discussed her new relationship Book. If someone says you complete me, run! Check it out. Hi Whoopi. Hey Vee [LAUGH] Welcome. Thank you so much for being with us on ESSENCE Live. Thank you, thank you so much for inviting me. It's a pleasure to have you, and we are thrilled to hear that you are debuting your new book. Tell us about it. What prompted you to write a relationships book and why now? Well, it's just you know, it's just one more person said to me, You know, I don't know why he's like this and blah blah. I say, you know what he was like. You saw all the red flags were there. You could see it and you didn't want to see it. [MUSIC] And now you're mad, because all the **** you saw, pardon my French, is coming true. [LAUGH] So, I just thought, why are people having these issues? And this is for men and women. This book is really for men and women. It looks like it's geared towards women, but it's not. It's really about people. Well, the title does say, you know? If someone. [LAUGH] If someone. Says you complete me [UNKNOWN] because you don't want to be in a relationship with somebody that you've completed. Because if you drop dead, does that mean they are half a person or not a full person left. You want a complete person. See in a relationship, you should be listening to the person who cares about you. And so you hear a lot of women and a lot of men saying don't lie to me, not you, everyone else can lie, you can't lie to me. So I think if you're with a player, if you go out with a player, they're a player. And maybe they're not playing for a little while but they may start playing again, you can't be surprised. And if you are a player I think you're obligated to say to whoever that person is that you're getting ready to go out with, listen this is my nature. This is who I am. And if you can handle Handle this, I'll be happy to hook up with you. But if you think for one second that you can't, we need to have a discussion. What's your favorite piece of advice from the book, if you had to choose one? It's the cover. If someone says that you complete me, run. Don't- You mean that. I do, I do. Cuz that's a scary thing. Cuz that puts all the responsibility of them on you. The best advice I think I ever got from someone was, you don't have to do this right now. Get out. And I didn't. It was the smartest thing, I should have not gotten mad at her, I should have left, but I said, But all these people are here, and like, yeah okay, we could go right now,nobody's looking get in the car. You're not the only person who that's happened to, that does happen. Now the worst advice you've ever gotten? Might be the worse advice I ever got was somebody, somebody was asking me about man. I might have been married to him. I can't remember. And they said oh, no, it's just a, a, a phase they're going through. Just wait it out. Like, no. [LAUGH] No, you can't wait it out. You got 165 years old, you wait it out. I shouldn't have gotten into it. Do you share a lot of this advice with your daughter? You're doing a docu-series with your daughter, right? Yes, I am. Listen, my daughter married the same guy three times. Okay? They are funny and wonderful, and they kinda have grown together. So no. You can never give your kids advice about who they're running with. Cuz they have to learn. Cuz you can't pick and choose for them. And when you have a batting average like mine, you really can't do it. You have a movie coming out. Tell us about it. Yes. It's called Big Stone Gap, and it's been 12 years in the making. And it's a very sweet movie. It's a love story. >And, it's beautifully done,it's simple. It's just a really simple love story. If you wanna go see some people, well I kinda have on a cape but it's not quite a cape. But I'm really wearing a house dress because I look like I ate the entire cast. Thank you so much for being with us. >Nice to see ya. And good luck with the book. > Thank you. Welcome back to this edition of Essence Live. Joining me now, two women I've spoken about quite a bit over the last couple of months. One is the cofounder of Pitch In Foundation, and also the reason why I am running the New York City Marathon, Miss Amber Sabathia. How are you? Hello. Welcome. Thank you for having me. I know how I feel about you right now. I don't know. You lucky you're pretty. That's what I'm saying. No. [LAUGH] And of course, joining us again, no strangers to the Essence Live stage, Ursula Stephen. Hi. Who also doesn't like me. Who also doesn't like you, Amber, but is also another reason The one I'm running the New York City Marathon. She volunteered me. I'm questioning everything about our friendship, just so you know. But Amber welcome, thank you so much for taking the time to have me as a part of your team as well as taking the time to come here and speak with Essence Live about the Pitch In Foundation. So can you please tell us a little bit about the Pitch In Foundation and what inspired you So, so many years ago my husband and I co-founded the pigeon foundation. And it's about promoting self esteem amongst inner city youth. There's so many kids out there from the inner city that, single mother raised household. You know, most of their parents didn't go to college They have the drugs, alcohol, abuse. They see it all and sometimes that hinders them and their self-esteem and they feel they can't get out of that. Mm-hm. C.C. and I are both from single parent households. We both dealt with alcohol and drug abuse when we were younger and here we are today. So we want kids to know you follow your dreams you can become whatever you want. But change costs and Pitcch In Foundation We are out there fundraising, hence wy I have you two lovely ladies out there running that marathon. [LAUGH] And we're making change. And so, can you tell us a little bit about the programs that you do? I know you recently did the backpack drive. But what are some of the programs that the foundation does throughout the year? So very proud. We have three major ones. We do a lot of different events, but three major ones. The Backpack Program. We've given out 25,000 backpacks to date. That means we've touched 25,000 children's lives. Cici's mother was a single mother, and the one thing she said, she always worried about back-to-school. It was one of those things that she could never afford. Right, supplies and things. She couldn't afford the new clothes, back-to-school supplies. So we started the backpack program. Every child gets a backpack pull of school supplies, everything that's on that parent's list to start them off right for the school year. We also renovate little league fields. So, C.C. says he wouldn't be where he is today if it wasn't for that little league field. And somewhere to get him out of the streets and on the field. We're out there renovating fields in California and New York. Also, we have clinics where we take the kids and we teach them the fundamentals of baseball so they're interested in baseball. You know, right now in baseball African Americans are lacking in that sport. That is true. And so we're out there and we're pushing them to get back out there and have the interest of baseball and learn the game and love the game. I think it's also so important too just to get kids out of the house and off of their cell phones and social media and actually out Playing and interacting. And PitCCh in is the official charity of the New York City Marathon. I want to call that out and why did you think this marathon was such a great fit? So last year I did it, and this was our third year being one of the official charities and the first year I had a team and I was out there rooting for them and I was on Twitter and I was tweeting and I was like oh, are they done yet? God, how long does it take to run a marathon? Girl, right. I had no idea. As we're discovering. No idea. And the next year I said you know what? If I can push them to do I'm going to do it. My husband laughed at me. What? And he said You're not an athlete. Oh, shame, Cici. It was so much shame fo Cici. Oh, shame. He said there's only one athlete in the house. I said, no there's two. And I'm gonna get out there. And I'm gonna run this marathon. And I did it, and I knew that it was more to it. We're out there, we're raising money. We're fundraising, giving back to the youth. And we're out there running for the kids. But we're also giving ourselves something, something that You can't get, it's so fulfilling to cross that finish line. And I am so excited for you guys because you guys have no idea what you're about to encounter. Really? I'm about to crawl across that line. Okay. I'm about to crawl across it. Andy was on the team. She said what She called me she was like I'm gonna put this on your back to [INAUDIBLE], but aunty Martina she did it last year, she was on my team and she did it and she finished it. And she raised a lot of money. And I know you guys can do the same. We will. Now how did you get Ursula, convince Ursula To do this. Because Ursula's like me and she has her thing going on. She's all into the hair, and beauty, and what not. But she's got that inner athlete in her too and I saw it. She's competitive. Yes, very. She's right, she's right. She's competitive. So Ursula's- Urs's a strong woman, I knew she'd She could do it. She's a beast. I'm glad she made me do it though. I was like talking, you know, excited about her. When she did it last year. I want to do it. I would love to do it, it's a bucket list thing for me. And low and behold that email came through. [LAUGH] I was like, oh my God. I can't say no. So Ursula, how did you start to motivate yourself to take on This journey. Because we start low. Those of you out there don't realize that myself and Ursula, we were not runners- At all. Before she signed me up. So how did you start to motivate yourself? I just felt like even before we started the official training I just started to do my own thing cuz I knew that no matter what anybody said or what training I was given I had to really Find my own pace and my own rhythm, so I just really started slow and went out and just ran and didn't worry about the time or whatever the case may be. Then look at the watch or I just ran and it help me to prepare for the actual training. I think the small things like that. Definitely, definitely. And if you wouldn't mind looking into this camera here and sharing with our essence audience where they can find more information on the Pitch In foundation as well as donate if they or volunteer and get involved. Everything to donate for you and for Ursula, cause, you guys, we need to get some fundraising going for the ladies. Some coins! Give me the coins. Go to Pitcch.org. It's with two c's. So, pitcch.org. And all the information is on the website. So, get involved, volunteer, please show some love and support, November 2nd. If you see myself and Ursula on the street. First, No. November first. I know November first is the marathon, but November second. Yeah. The day after- We're going to be crawling. When we have our medals. Oh, right, right, yeah. From the crawling, which is also Ursula's birthday. Yes. Please be sure to give us a big applause. This is my birthday gift to myself. It's a good gift, it's a good gift. It really is though. It's a very good gift. You're giving back, you're running. It's a good gift. Amber thank you so very much for joining us, don't be a stranger here. Alright. Ursula, we'll see you again. The next time. All right, don't go anywhere. We have more Essence Live coming up next. Essence has always supported you and what you stand for. Now imagine Essence could be even more, offering a selection of new beauty products specially curated every month so you can see what's fresh, try samples before you buy, so you know what works for you. You're getting essentials from name brands and up and coming Black-owned businesses. Beat this. Go ahead. Be bold, be confident, be you. Become a member. [MUSIC] Lip gloss. Lover. Staying home. French fries. Sweet. Wine. Dinner. Ice cream. [SOUND] Coffee, [SOUND] both, [SOUND] both, [SOUND] basketball, [SOUND] neither one, [SOUND] car, [SOUND] flats, [SOUND] bowling Skating, balls. [SOUND] Christmas. Dog. Tatts. Both. Cake. [MUSIC] Slow [LAUGHTER] Hamburgers, Dresses, Call, [LAUGHTER] Cookie. [LAUGH] [MUSIC] Welcome back to Essence Live. Make sure to grab your copy of the November issue, the lovely Taraji P. Henson is gracing the cover, looking fierce as usual, as you just saw. So right now, we are going to jump into some decision making of our own. It's time for my favorite part of the show Let's get into it, some Slayed or Shade. First up, back again comedian, Calise Hawkins, how are you? Good how are you? Fabulous, welcome. Thank you. Now that you're a bit closer to me I feel the energy. [LAUGH] Next up, you've seen this trouble-maker here before... What? Throwing shade all day every day. Welcome back celebrity stylist Wouri Vice. Well thank you for having me back. I'm no trouble. Thank you for coming. We just figured out that our birthdays are only three days apart. [NOISE] December babies, Capricorn. [CROSSTALK] Just throwing it in there. Capricorns don't worry. I'll be sure to remind you each and every day. I am the 28th. Oh my God. Oh my God. Are you [CROSSTALK] We'll have this moment in a second. Also joining us in Slayed or Shade is Essence's own entertainment director Cori Murray, who is back. Thank you for stepping back in, how are you? No problem. Kalese, when's your birthday? I'm gonna just Jump to my daughters birthday, it's January sixteenth, she's a Capricorn She's a Capricorn, okay so it works Okay so we're all a family, there's all love here. And at home, panelists, each and every one of you, even the ones at work, I won't talk about you. Please use the hashtag essence live and join in on the conversation, and if you're a Capricorn Get into it. Woo hoo! [LAUGH] All right. So let's get started. During the summer it was reported that Will Smith's production company was shopping around a Fresh Prince of Bel-Air reboot. Recently Alfonso Ribeiro, who played Carlton, expressed his opinion on the possible reboot. And I quote, it's not exciting to me because I know it ain't gonna happen. He continued, and if it happened it wouldn't be Fresh Prince. It would be something that's taking the story of the show and having all new people do something. To me, that's not Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Is Will Smith starring in it? No. Then it ain't no Fresh Prince of Bel Air. [LAUGH] So what do we think? Is this slayed or shade? One, two, three. Slater, oh, this one's a shade. Shade, slate, shade. Okay, [UNKNOWN], start us off. Why a shade? Okay, so at first I was thinking I admire his loyalty, but then I was thinking about when I was a kid, Fresh Prince was a very good influence on my generation and I think right now we need that for young black men to have somebody who has to make good decisions He's having fun but it's an uplifting show. Mm-hm. And it also gives all these jobs to minorities that are in the entertainment industry. Yeah. So he's being very short sighted by saying, let's not do another Fresh Prince. Okay if you don't wanna another Fresh Prince, do a fresh Princess. Boy meets world figured it out, they did girl meets world. That's true they do have that. First of all, as soon as you leave this set you're gonna have trademark, coin that because somebody's gonna use that, just so you know. And the video for See that? We're gonna work that more. Trouble maker. Tory what did you have yet? A slayed? Why do you think it's a slayed? Just because my hand went straight up like that. [LAUGH] No I'm joking. I kind of get what he's saying. But then she just kind of made a point that me revamp my brand a little it. Hold my hand through this. [LAUGH] You showed me to be indecisive. I know, that showed me being in the size of homie. It's that thing where I just figured out what you were saying and it's absolutely true cause we were just talking about uplifting like two seconds ago. And that is necessary. Maybe it's a thing of taking the idea of what that was and made me not trying to redo that but Use it as a blue print. So I'm still with the slays so now I'm shade, like she was. I really like Fresh Princess. I like the idea of the Fresh Princess. I do, I really, really do. And good job for calling out Boy Meets World. That is true. Just saying. I agree with both Kalese and worry about that, but of course the shade is He didn't have to go on and on about what it wasn't gonna be, because the best had already been done, and I think I even read too, and I appreciate him saying, the backbone of the show was James Avery, who passed away, so how can they do this show without him? But also, it's Like, dude. Calm down. You can do a reboot. You can recast it. You could come on as the neighbor. There's a part for you. Which, the tone, I didn't like. I mean, granted I know [CROSSTALK] something like, well I can't be in it anymore. And, go back to doing America's Funniest Home Videos. Look at this one. See? I'm just saying. Shade. Be happy. You won Dancing with the Stars. Did he win? He did went and he's guest hosting right now. Yeah, so be happy in that lane but yeah it's a new generation of actress can come along. I'm here for that. I love all of the jelly goodie, Let's see what our Facebook fan had to say out there. Chantel Monique Hosea, yes all three names. Said, no shade at all why mess with something too perfect. It's like trying to repaint the Mona Lisa. It's classic that can't be remade. Okay, well thank you very much Chantel for chiming in. Next up, after announcing that he would conduct a day-long seminar dubbed Beyonce Boot Camp, which promises to give key advice to any individual wanting to get into the entertainment industry, Matthew Knowles is setting the record straight and letting critics know He's not trying to cash in on his daughter. [SOUND] [LAUGH] He explains, I'm not just Beyonce's father. People want to brand me as that. I'm the brains behind the success. Okay, Mr. Knowles. Now Mr. Knowles is apparently taking the entertainment industry How do I get in Seminar to Barbados and Paris? And he also plans on taking it to select cities across the United States. So, I know you all have a lot to say. I'm so nervous to look. But, on the count of three of this slate or shade, one, two, three. Slate, shade, shade. Okay Corey, why is this a shade? Okay. There was something I read in the article where he was like, oh I spent a day with Blue Ivy a couple of month ago. And I will probably be spending another day with her in a few more month. But you don't spend no time with your family, okay? Okay, which means y'all must have some really bad blood between you. And yes, I get it. You were the brains behind Destiny's Child and the beginning of Beyonce's career, but let Beyonce be Beyonce and stop trying to **** your daughter's name and that is what you're doing because clearly you're not close with them anymore and we all knew about his other financial troubles. It just screams Desperation. He was selling memorabilia wasn't he, at some point? At a garage sale or something? Yeah he went on the Breakfast Club and said because he had so much space he had to clean out, he had like 6,000 square feet so he had to clean out all this stuff he had. I have 600 square feet in Brooklyn. I'm just saying. [UNKNOWN] Ladies first [UNKNOWN] I didn't say anything. I agree with his body language. He's like shifting it, [UNKNOWN] shifting in his chair, like hold on I just, I gotta say something in a minute. No I'm just joking. Here's what I said. Cuz as a parent I hate that people put the dad first because if he was doing this the traditional way nobody would say you can't be a legitimate manager or agent if you manage somebody who blew up. Then you get to move on to new clients. So this world is hard to have a job in, if he figured out how to support Beyonce I'm sure he could find some other talent. So he should be able to He should be able to get money off of it. Now allegedly he has tried. I think he has his own label and he's trying to grow other talent. [UNKNOWN] labels. The gospel, the gospel [UNKNOWN]. Yeah gospel artists and things of that nature so, that was me being shade. Let me throw it up, shade. Now [UNKNOWN], thank you, thank you, shade. Now [UNKNOWN] you had a [UNKNOWN]? I did, I mean- You had a two for one combo? Always, right? With a biscuit. Yeah. [LAUGH] So, here's the thing. That's her dad. He participated in her creation. Mm-hm. So, it's like you're kinda not pimping that aspect, but we really know that you're pimping that aspect cuz it's the thing that made you big. I don't know, it's kind of a difficult one, but it's one of those things where if people won't let you move on From that. Anyone because I know, for a long time, I had a client for a long time and people kept me in that box with that client. Like every time I was seen I was referred to as so and so's stylist. And it's like, no actually I have a [UNKNOWN] of clients but you're focusing on that one. So I guess he's in a place where it could be like if your gonna keep focusing on that let me go ahead and sell everything that's in my garage cause I can use the space cause I need to put the babies crib in here now cause he just got here. Okay. See what I'm saying. That was a caleche, a caleche. Mm-hm. On top of that you know it's one of those things where it's like I have information why not sell it? Now question all of you are very successful in your careers. Would you all pay 1.99 or would you have paid 1.99 to take a seven hour workshop from Matthew Knowles on how to get into the industry? And anybody can answer. I will say at the beginning of my career there was a book on how to be a star Stylist, written by a woman who was an agent for stylists and stuff. I forget her name, Crystal something or other. And that book had eight editions. I remember buying the book. Okay. So clearly there is somebody in Kansas that can't get to New York to get the information we had. Look, in this business, any time you wanna be something, somebody's that trying to make money off of you. Headshot, [UNKNOWN] classes, how to pose. Even when you're a celebrity. I'm about to sell a class on how to sit in the chair next to you. Do it. And Slater's changed. So- Get it. But, can we be honest- $999. [LAUGH] When you sign on, even if you sign a record deal, there's people waiting at the door to be your publicist. Right. People want to teach you how to be All these other things. Manners. Yeah. Everybody has something to sell. He just happens to capitalize off his daughter's name. But by the time this materializes, it probably won't be. The same thing. Beyonce Boot Camp. Right. It won't. So let's check back in with you all on Facebook. Shalise Lee said, No Shade. She is what she is because of his direction and management. There are many talented people who don't have a Matthew Knowles to propel them forward. Okay, interesting. Thank you so much Shalise. Ridiculous. She's on- Now they can buy it for 199. They can buy it for 199. [LAUGH] And you can get your picture taken for like an additional small fee and like a sandwich. No, you're joking. No, no, no, very serious. I'm done. [LAUGH] This last story is very interesting. It took less than a half hour for a jury to rule against Jennifer Connelly, suing her now 12-year-old nephew Shawn for $127,000 over a forceful hug she received at his 8th birthday party which caused her to fall and break her wrist. So apparently, the young boy was just really, really excited to see his aunt. Ran, jumped on her, boom, she fell. Okay, media outlets painted Jennifer as a villain and social media dubbed her as the worst aunt ever, and the aunt from Hell. Jennifer appeared on The Today Show this morning actually, alongside her nephew Sean, to clear the air as to the why she sued her nephew. She said she never wanted to sue her nephew, but because of a technicality with the insurance claim, in order to get her medical bill paid, she had to name an individual on the lawsuit. Now just a quick interjection here. We dug a little bit deeper into this. This was a claim made with the Home Owners Association where she fell, not her healthcare provider. So, because Sean caused the fall, she named him. All right panelists, what are you thinking? Thoughts? Slay or shade? Shade, shade, shade. Okay I have to go to the moms first. Calise, talk to me. Okay, this shade is not directed at the Auntie, okay? Okay. This shade is directed as social media. Because seriously, I believe this woman when she says it was a technicality. She had no idea they were gonna find out. There was somebody in that courtroom who was like, oh, this make a good headline. Girl. This gonna sound real bad for this girl. And they kinda used her. Cuz obviously she wasn't trying to get her eight year old to pay her $100,000. If The home owner's insurance told her to do it. I think that's why she did it. But social media these days, they're trying to hang everybody. They went for Columbus. [LAUGH] They're like you can't use that now but we still gonna get you. [LAUGH] They don't like you anymore. They [LAUGH] Columbus! You are not safe, you can't do anything. No one's safe on social media anymore. None. No one's Shame to the aunt because, I like that point but come on. It was your nephew. It was an organic authentic moment. Yes unfortunately you hurt your hand, I think I read something it was hard for her to hold horderves. It happened a couple years ago. Yeah and I'm like, you know what, you should've just let it go, paid for it and In real talk, so my aunt, I mean my Big Mama years ago jokingly said she was gonna sue my uncle because his dog jumped on her and hurt her. Mm-hm. And we were all like why would you even have that thought, Big Mama? Uh-huh. Cuz she was just like, you never know. Oh. You know what I mean? So I just feel, so the shade is the thought of it. Right. Big Mama know it. Why even have She do be knowing though. That's what I'm saying. Mama be knowing. Uh-oh Rory, I'm really nervous you get the last word on this, I'm so nervous, we in danger. You know, I'm just gonna pray. So you don't have much to say? So what where you, were you slayed? No, I don't know. I would have prayed on it. I would have prayed, I Cuz I do agree with the social media aspect of it. I think that things tend to get blown out of proportion. I think that this was probably something where she probably said you know with his Mom or her brother or her sister whoever is his parent and said- [CROSSTALK] She didn't try to sue that little boy. See what I mean. I didn't even know that. She didn't even try to sue that little boy Aww! See what I mean? You just turnt the whole thing upside down. Dang Calise. [LAUGH] It just went to a higher level. I'm sorry! I'm done. [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] It's a wrap! It is. It's it. Slater Shade. Done. Done. [CROSSTALK] Thank y'all very much for joining me this week. I don't even have nothing to say to that. It's okay, Maury. Corey, Maury, Calise. Thank you. No, I'm just messing with you. Thank you so very much for joining us and thank you to all of you who tuned in and you're streaming us live. Make sure to tune in next week for an all new Essence Live. We have Blackish star Yara Shahidi stopping by. We're gonna drop some beats, do a little bit of flowing. See you next week. Same place, same time, same fabulous host. I'm Dana Blair. See you next time. Bye bye. [LAUGH] [MUSIC]